We were complicit in letting people bully trudeau out of office. But honestly how could any Canadian with half a brain not see that the liberals led by Mark Carney is the best choice for us in this Turbulent time. I could never see the Conservatives showcasing their values like this, it just screams Canada
Between Carney and Poilievre there is no contest. However, it is important to say that from what we’ve seen, Carney’s policies will not fix the deep problems facing the country. There is nothing there about reducing wealth inequality via taxing the rich, nothing about non-market housing, nothing about ending the oil-and-car economy, nothing about Land Back. And yea, I know those are left wing policies and he’s a centrist but that’s exactly my point, what we actually need is ecosocialism.
Pretty much this. The best thing about him is that he isn’t Poilievre.
But Carney appears to be a relatively right-leaning Liberal. Shrinking the federal government is fine, I guess; cutting taxes for might be boutique tax cuts for the rich - I didn’t see specifics; his housing policy seems to rely heavily on the private sector, which is pretty similar to everyone else’s (and doesn’t seem great, tbh).
Stepping down can sometimes be the real power move in politics, and for a politician that had quite few power moves for such a long tenure, this was one of Trudeau’s.
And between the potential leaders, Carney is the only one that has a clear vision for the future on top of a plan to make it happen. While I don’t agree with half of the stuff he’s about, that’s a million times better than a man more interested in causing division amongst Canadians when faced with an external threat, spineless coward that flip flops depending on what he things gets him political points, or people who have zero chance of gaining enough seats to make a serious change.
Spitting facts right there sir hell yeah. Carney’s own platform has so much detail in is that even half of it getting implemented would be fucking great right now. We need an economist to help restructure our provincial economies into one
The way he’s going at it, I assume he intends to be PM again one day.
Honestly he might. He’s young and right when he resigned I was ashamed people pushed him to because I said mark my words people will want him back in a months time and look at it now lol
Nah, Trudeau had to go. He had made many mistakes over the years, often stupid ones. He reneged on electoral reform. He didn’t do anything substantive to alleviate the housing crisis. In fact how government did a few things to make it worse. He let Ford squander the $10 child care program in Ontario. And so on.
I voted Liberal in all the elections he ran in since that was the ABC choice in my riding, I appreciate the positive contributions he made, such as the pandemic response. However there are serious issues that were ignored and they became unignorable. People are lining up behind Carney because they see someone who says things that sound like he can begin solving these problems. Unlike Trudeau or Poilievre. I don’t think Trudeau was malicious or profiting of any of the mistakes, but mistakes were made.
Ford and Trudeau are way closer than either of them likes to be widely understood.
Don’t forget the CCB.
I don’t, I didn’t try listing all the good and bad achievements. I intended to say he did plenty of things to deserve people’s ire, not that he didn’t do anything good.
How would you suggest that he solve the housing crisis after years of inaction by the premiers (who are responsible for housing) and then letting In so many foreign students so they could reduce education spending?
The liberals injected 4 billion dollars into the housing accelerator fund to help after years of inaction by the premiers.
COVID cost a lot and it def exasperated the housing crisis and I think right now Carney is the best thing to replace him with to restructure our economy inside out. Keep everything we gained with JT and pivot to get our economy balanced to then pivot back forward. In the grand scheme of things JT was kneecapped by very hostile premiers.
They could have used a lot more stick to premiers backs. They started working with municipalities very recently. Housing was a problem even in 2015. They could have gotten back into building housing as far back as 2016.
The federal government let the students in, not provinces. Provinces just took advantage. Trudeau’s government could have increased university and college funding instead, along with publicly tarring and feathering bastards like Ford who cut the funding. Something which Carney has said he’ll do. The funding, not the tar-feathering.
Well when you want to be a province ans be a big boy and handle your own shit with no federal interference, that’s what they did. The premiers said “we need x amount of students/immigrants this year” and the feds would say ok. Then when they recently throttled the immigration the premiers cried out “BuT ThIs HuRtS OuR LabOur ForCe”.
Like everything else they just let the problem fester until it got so bad they needed big daddy feds to handle the problem.
Pierre Elliott Trudeau stabbed Québec in the back so many times. He was not a unifying PM at all. He pissed Québec off something fierce. He even got so far as imposing martial law in Québec at some point.
He did some good things for Canada, sure. But he was in no way a unifying PM.
Yeah, it was called the October crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Crisis?wprov=sfla1
And even the premier of Quebec approved of Trudeau using the act AND the mayor of Montreal. He had that fucking stones to tell thos piece of shit terrorists, and anyone who idolizes them, that we won’t let that shit fly here.
He LITERALLY helped crate our charter of rights and freedoms, and made us entirely seperate politically from England. How in the fuck is he not unifying? How did he stab Quebec in the back? For creating our constitution? For making our country have two official Languages of English and French? Is that stabbing Quebec in the back? Lol
I’m not denying he did some great things for Canada. But he was still controversial amongst the québécois.
Also, one’s terrorist is another’s freedom fighter. It’s all a matter of perspective.
I don’t know about “stabbing in the back”. One thing to remember is that PET was Québécois himself. He just happened to have a different vision for Québec than René Lévesque. I do lean towards the validity of the sovereignty arguments myself but I can’t not acknowledge that fédéralisme has deep roots in Québécois society just as well.
He’s the best they’ve got, sure. But I don’t think he’s going to help the middle class. I don’t think he’s going to make a good PM.
I hope he proves me wrong.
He keeps talking about the need to increase wages and shrink inequality, and he’s written about the damage from rising inequality so while skeptical, I’m cautiously optimistic.
My most optimistic scenario is that he’s a lefty Keynesian ideologue who keeps his trap shut to not sound too government intervention-y in order to not scare the right of centre vote in order to get elected. Then once in power he’ll let it rip. I can see a lot of keywords and hints in his speeches and writing but one can’t be sure till you got actual government policy. Till then it could all be an elaborate ruse for suckers like me.
Yeah well so did Trudeau. I was hopeful but I learned my lesson.
Carney also talks about making cuts. What is there left to cut???
There’s a lot of problems in this country that cannot be fixed by simply throwing money at it. Like the military or housing. It takes a complete restructuring of how it all functions and recruitment, cutting red tape or making more efficientcies within the system and building smart to preserve the environment
Actually, yes.
The housing crisis could be fixed if the government started building subsidized housing again like it used to instead of hoping the private sector will save us and subsidizing these crooks who have been taking advantage of the market.
And the military, too. We need to invest in more and better equipment mostly.
The… The current housing plan sets aside money to have a certain amount of housing be affordable… And it emphasizes that high density housing is key and is focusing on that? This is part of how you all just let them bash Trudeau for actually doing important shit we all need lol. And sure we can invest in our military more. But besides going outward to buy it, how do you spend money here to build the shit without the proper industrial base? We don’t just have idle factories sitting there and massive reserves of raw materials to make shit with… It takes time to ramp that up
My argument was that they rely too much on private contractors to build the housing and they won’t build anything wihout any way of making a significant profit. The government used to build multi unit housing buildings before for social housing, but they pulled back from that over time.
Otherwise, I agree with everything else you said about the military.
In fact, someone else either here or on Mastodon suggested that the car manufacturing plants that might close down due to the tariffs, could be taken over by the government to build stuff. So why not military vehicles, etc?
I agree that he might be saying things to seem more balanced. But I think he’s legit, hes a legit economist with tons of expertise and he knows how to manage an economy and think big. And we need big thinking right now. Not PP sitting there drooling about… Collecting tariff money to give tax breaks to people?? Nah man fuck that, carneys plan of cutting middle class taxes, changing the consumer price on carbon for an incentive system and keeping and increasing the industrial carbon tax? Yes pls. PP would have just gotten rid of the carbon tax across the board.
Carney also wants to keep everything the liberals made progress on and even build on it going forward. Dudes smart and is one economic wiz I want running our country rn with America being so hostile
One caveat, there’s plenty of economists who think that PP has the right approach to manage the economy. Just because someone’s an economist doesn’t mean they believe what Carney believes. He seems to subscribe to some form of Keynesian economic thought while the majority of economists today are still Neoliberal (more free market, small government, unlimited free trade, trickle down).
PP has not passed a single bill in 25 years in parliament. He’s never had a job outside of being an attack dog for Harper. He has no policies and no experience.
No one is saying they like or support PP.
Criticizing Carney doesn’t mean you support PP.
True. Carney is defintely not above criticism. But PP would be devastating for Canada.
Totally.
Yeah I’m not sure what’s going on, I was simply highlighting that “an economist” doesn’t mean a rigid and consistent set of beliefs and economic policies, sinc economics isn’t a hard science and it’s got multiple schools of thought that lead to vastly different political positions. And if you just go by someone being an economist you may get badly surprised.
So PPs idea of “changing” childcare and the “waste of money” dental program? Pharmacare? The housing accelerator fund to replace it with his lame ass plan of a few hundred million to “reward” cities or then “punish” cities if they do not build enough? Like wtf do you think people are doing in these cities? You not realise there is a shortage of tradespeople? That was one of the reasons we NEED immigration
middle class
what does that even mean to you
He’s literally going to cut middle class taxes and keep all the progress we have made under JT while pivoting our economic strategy to expand our internal and external trade partners. That’s exactly what I wanted. A pivot, even most people thinking that Pierre is better have no fucking cute that Pierre would reverse everything JT had accomplished that helps the middle and working class.
Childcare - can save families 5k/yr per child. Dental care for those uninsured making under 90k/yr AFTER taxes. Pharma care for BC and diabetes. Carbon pricing on industrial emmiters. School foods program that will make sure all kids are fed.
These are all things that must remain and the CPC is just frothing at the mouth to gut them.
