I have a hard time with anyone being called a Russian shill, or a Chinese shill, or whatever. I’m not Canadian and don’t spend much time in this part of lemmy, but I like hearing views from others even if they’re ones I disagree with.

*most of the US. My state (vermont), not so much. Trump support is fairly low across the board.

Re foreign interference, you are referring to now. and you’re not wrong! But I’m referring to a future where a hot war happens. Who will intervene? Who will take advantage of the situation? We have no idea and I don’t even think it’s possible to speculate. America has so many enemies (for good reason) the list could be endless. As for Canada, you’re full of natural resources, who knows who might find that appealing while you’re in a war with the US. All hell breaks loose. I’m a strategy person, I like thinking these things through, the crazy what ifs. I can’t even imagine what will happen if it gets to that point.

As for canadas fighting abilities, give yourselves some credit. Not just hockey, y’all kicked so much ass in WW1 we needed to have the Geneva convention. Most Americans think they’re so exceptional that no one can beat them. But the truth is we haven’t won a war since ww2 despite spending all of our money on war. Should it come to it I believe Canada would give america a run for it’s money.

I hope it doesn’t come to it. I wish more Luigi’s would spring up and take the technofascists and their puppets in government out. But I don’t have high hopes and I believe the future is looking extremely bleak.

And that’s ignoring climate change. Add that in, permafrost melting and another pandemic springing up out of it, we’re so fucked. The global elites know and they have no country. The world is theirs for the taking and that’s exactly what they’re doing.

Maybe in ~1970 we could but our oligarchs shipped all of our manufacturing abroad. And even so, raw materials come from everywhere.

How the fuck is Elon fucking musk taking over all these different us bureaucracies? Don’t know but it’s happening. The “law” is a fig leaf. They don’t give a fuck.

Yeah. It would be a very risky big leap, but I think some blue states would be interested. Vermont went overwhelmingly for Harris, and we have an independent streak and history of our own. But other blue states would be harder - California and New York seem bright blue but they aren’t - the cities are and the rural areas are not. Vermont receives more federal tax money than we pay, not as much as the red welfare states but a considerable amount. I think New England as a whole would be interested but New Hampshire would be a wildcard. It could inflame a neighbor against neighbor civil war… people stupidly think a second civil war would have clear battle lines like the first. No way.

The biggest risk besides outright hot war would be foreign interference outside of Canada and the US. The US has made a ton of enemies with our foreign policy, and with us in obvious disunion they could start arming sides like we have done abroad. Or straight up invade. Or go after their own geopolitical aims closer to home (which I care less about, I’m tired of being the worlds police that few ever asked for).

One of the benefits is the US government hasn’t outright won a war since ww2 and the Canadians are formidable fighters in their own right. But a hot war should be avoided at all costs, it would be brutal. Many millions would die, if not in outright war in disease and starvation.

And what about the billionaires? Somebody needs to render them useless in the process. Otherwise they’ll just reign the rubble.

I think we should do it at the state level - democratic vote - and then if the response is leave we just stop paying the feds taxes and kick them off our land. What are they gonna do, invade us for our maple syrup? We invented guerrilla warfare and were heavily armed and know the mountains better than y’all queda does. And we’re accustomed to winter. The southerners wouldn’t stand a chance.

It’s not a big problem, it’s lies told by trump to rile up his base.

You want to meet the moment? Shut off our power. Trust me, that will do it. That will fuck everyone over especially his supporters.

Edit - I thought this guy was your resident crackhead leader but apparently it’s his brother (sorry I’m dumb American). He’s onto something here: https://www.politico.com/news/2024/12/11/ontario-premier-threatens-cut-off-energy-supply-us-00193895

I propose: you trade Alberta to the US and receive New England and the Pacific Northwest?

Outcompete Mexico on Fentanyl, with a mission to cut Heroin with it for purposes of killing US addicts as a Canadian government program is a better response to end the war than appeasement.

That’s fucked up and won’t move the needle at all, you’re just doing the fascists work for them. They’d probably like it if you would kill off our drug addicts.

The lowest of American society didn’t vote for this… they likely didn’t vote at all. Aim at the top. Shut off the ability of rich Americans to enter your country. No more ski vacations. Seize American owned properties and redistribute to your own people (with the option for Americans to renounce citizenship and gain Canadian and keep their property).

Take meeeeee. I have some carpentry experience.

I’m not sure I’m following you on the constitutional convention. Do Canadians have their own version of that? In America it will never happen, we wouldn’t be able to get whatever the legal majority (2/3?) is to do anything. I’m kind of hoping that most Americans are so dumb they don’t even know we’re a state, and we’re so small and economically unimportant that if we left they wouldn’t even notice.

I’ve legit been on the phone with some customer service rep from some other part of the country and they asked me if vermont was a country and where in the world it is. I mean we were… before we became the 14th state.

It’s not that I want you to hurt us, it’s that I want you to accelerate our secession from the failed disunited states. I want nothing to do with our fascist federal government.

American here. If you want to hurt us, shut off our power. You supply oil, natural gas, and hydroelectric to multiple states including my own. If you shut off Vermonts hydroelectric via hydro Quebec during winter we’d be completely fucked. I’m kinda hoping you do so we have a reason to secede and potentially join you as a province if you’d allow it. Fuck America.

I don’t have the heart to deal with ai since it’s a huge drain on resources but has anyone asked the American ai purveyors about what happened at Kent state? Or the move firebombings?

Watch the video. Don’t just look at the pics, watch the damn video. This is some sea lioning just asking questions nonsense that I can’t take seriously. His family left Canada during their civil rights movement to move to apartheid South Africa to enslave Africans in an emerald mine. He’s a fascist. He’s a Nazi. Call a spade a spade instead of instilling doubt. Defend a Nazi you are a Nazi.

I’m answering this half assuming good faith but this being the internet I’m heavily doubting it’s a good faith innocent question.

Accustomed to working in metric in the US? What kind of construction?! Every trade I’ve worked alongside worked in imperial…

Assuming they work in metric over there how was that transition for him?

It wasn’t a democratic election. The republicans succeeding in the 2000 coup is what got this ball rolling. They filled up the judiciary with compromised judges, bought out elections, used the tech bros to manipulate everyone. And structurally it’s not remotely a democracy, see the electoral college.

People fleeing have good reason to. I would if I could.

The revolution will not be televised nor discussed in appropriate forums but will instead be memed!

Fuckers!

Btw I got banned from world by stating the fact that joe Lieberman (former US democratic senator from CT) single-handedly killed the single payer option that was originally part of obamacare because he was bribed (excuse me, political donations that are legal because corporations are people and that’s their free speech 🙄) to do so since most of the insurance companies at the time were based in his state. Linked to substantial evidence (his own fucking words!). Got banned. Libs fucking hate it when you call them out on their liberal bullshit.

Thanks friend