Looking forward to when you wake up and realize that you’re just emptily shilling for a company that would happily take your money while refusing features.
Why would you talk about how great the features that you pay when we’re talking about how they’re slashing free features then? I’m sure you love paying the same price to rent your music, the same price as just buying it, but that’s not what the conversation is about.
I’m sure you love paying the same price to rent your music, the same price as just buying it, but that’s not what the conversation is about
It’s also complete bollocks. Family plan is £3 a month, let’s say an album costs £10. So in a year I could listen to basically all music for £36, or buy 3.6 albums. Maybe if I live to be a billion then it’ll cost the same price to buy the music rather than renting it, but for us mortals the subscription service is the better deal. It’s fine to not like people shilling for a profit-seeking company, but don’t make up nonsense to try and prove it’s not a good deal.
The Spotify Family plan is increasing by two euros, to £16.99 ($20.52).
This is as of 2021, where are you getting that it’s £3 a month? That’s £203.88 a year.
Where are you buying your albums? How is it that they’re all new releases, are you not recognizing that most of your music is not a release? How often do you listen to a full, new album? You likely don’t listen to more than 20 new songs a month anyways, unless you’re discovering a new genre. However, again, that’s not what this post is about, it’s about lowering the quality of the free features.
Not sure how this is emptily shilling though. Am I paying for a service? Yes. Will I stop paying for a service if they start “refusing features?” Also yes.
Like I said in another comment, I was happy with Netflix back in the day, but now, nope. I have self hosted alternatives.
If a service is not worth it for me, I stop paying. Different people have that line at different levels, and for me, today’s Spotify Premium is worth it. In the future it may not be.
Well first off, a shill could be a person, and not a bot.
To your question, yeah, they’re here, they’re also on Reddit.
They go wherever the people are at, so they can train, inflate user population, and influence opinions.
It costs them almost nothing to be at multiple places, at the end of the day it’s all text to be parsed and people to manipulate.
Actually, usually when I see someone questioning if bots exist I think of that as an actual bot trying influence people away from thinking about bots, considering that bots are all over the place at this point, it’s weird to see someone deny/question that.
Let me try to give a voice to the people down voting.
I hope that in the future they make a separate subscription model for each of these services.
$2/month I get the pause feature.
$5/week I get to control my own volume.
$4/month I don’t have to loudly shout the brand name of the commercial to go back to my podcast.
This is how websites keep the lights on and you shouldn’t be so ungrateful. We all know the pursuit of infinite profits means all these companies will continue to find more ways to squeeze customers. So I’ll go down with this ship even though just 5 years ago it was crazy to see a 2 minute unskippable ad but now there’s 3 of them and you’re an asshole for wanting to remove that.
What would the internet look like if we got rid of how companies advertise to us.
In the future you should consider what you’re saying before speaking out against enshitificatin and encroachment of mass marketing into our lives. It feeds. It never stops feeding and I am meat.
Perhaps, and this may be a crazy thought, there is some middle ground to be found between a company actively hemorrhaging money and it demanding infinite profit.
Now, I’m sure you do your job for no pay just out of the goodness of your heart, and that you even put your own money into it because you just love it so much. And that’s very very good of you. But I just don’t think I can really make the same demand of everyone, though I assure you, we all are looking up to you as an example, truly the absolute paragon of morality.
They expect to take from you. You mention middle ground. You don’t get to the middle ground by walk halfway towards someone that had no intention of meeting you halfway. But they will take every advantage you give them.
On top of all this, the internet survived way before any of the corporations jumped on board. It’ll exist without them. Yet with them around they pushed out the free and fun services and now that no longer exists in any meaningful way because they exist.
I’m a consumer of a product and yesterday I had twice the product for twice as cheap. Today I don’t. I have no invested interest to market for the erosion of services on behalf of any private corporation or company. Especially large corporate entities who pay individuals hundreds of millions in contracts. How about standing up for your peers because they ain’t your peers
Its acceptable to demand cheaper better products and if they don’t budge then you shouldn’t either.
Its okay to stand up for your interest.
You don’t need to defend these practices especially when these companies go to the effort to capture a monopoly on the services right before they lock it all away.
You keep meeting them halfway they’ll keep moving where that is.
I been paying for it and I don’t really see how I’m suddenly getting half the product for twice the cost.
Spotify is a sweet fucking deal for me. I listen to it for like 2500+ hours a year. It’s worth it to pay to not have to listen to ads alone.
What’s really crazy is how you dudes are quick to call people shills and corporate apologists and all this dumb shit when they just get value for the money. If you don’t like it don’t buy it. If you’re so upset about the free version then use something else. Nobody gives a fuck, we aren’t getting a commission here.
Music is a fucked industry. You want to support a band you go their shows and buy some merch same as always.
My point is that we can’t just ignore it or believe that just not subscribing is good enough.
These companies corner a market and become the leader in acceptable practices. So you choose to leave Spotify and pick an alternative just means your alternative adopts the thing you left Spotify for.
The only thing that counteracts this erosion of services and features for profit is cultural pressure. Companies would love for people to just not subscribe because its never enough pressure to get the company to change. There needs to be better organization from customers.
There is no erosion of services dude. Why are you typing up essays on a premise that is faulty? If you pay for no ads you’re still getting no ads. It sounds like you’re bitching about free services changing which is wild.
If we all stand together we can bully them into providing top tier free services. That’s what you’re trying to say?
What features are paid users losing with Spotify? If you think you’re entitled to a robust set of features for free then make them and distribute them freely.
Or you could keep whining on forums thinking you’re fighting the good fight I guess.
Looking forward to when you wake up and realize that you’re just emptily shilling for a company that would happily take your money while refusing features.
Deep.
Why would you talk about how great the features that you pay when we’re talking about how they’re slashing free features then? I’m sure you love paying the same price to rent your music, the same price as just buying it, but that’s not what the conversation is about.
The amount of different genres I listen to means that the cost of the subscription is nowhere near what I would have to pay if I had to buy it.
It’s also complete bollocks. Family plan is £3 a month, let’s say an album costs £10. So in a year I could listen to basically all music for £36, or buy 3.6 albums. Maybe if I live to be a billion then it’ll cost the same price to buy the music rather than renting it, but for us mortals the subscription service is the better deal. It’s fine to not like people shilling for a profit-seeking company, but don’t make up nonsense to try and prove it’s not a good deal.
This is as of 2021, where are you getting that it’s £3 a month? That’s £203.88 a year.
Where are you buying your albums? How is it that they’re all new releases, are you not recognizing that most of your music is not a release? How often do you listen to a full, new album? You likely don’t listen to more than 20 new songs a month anyways, unless you’re discovering a new genre. However, again, that’s not what this post is about, it’s about lowering the quality of the free features.
A family plan is shared between 6 accounts, I pay 1/6 of the cost. I probably listen to hundreds of new songs every month.
Not sure how this is emptily shilling though. Am I paying for a service? Yes. Will I stop paying for a service if they start “refusing features?” Also yes.
Like I said in another comment, I was happy with Netflix back in the day, but now, nope. I have self hosted alternatives.
If a service is not worth it for me, I stop paying. Different people have that line at different levels, and for me, today’s Spotify Premium is worth it. In the future it may not be.
No need to be so hostile.
We are all here on Lemmy because we see the value in self hosting and free & open source software.
However even here, people have the need to antagonize each other and call each other corporate shills.
Maybe a peek behind the curtain of human nature.
Well, to be fair, sometimes the “people” here are corporate shills.
Are bots actually prevalent here? I love me some Lemmy, but boy are they scraping the bottom of the barrel by targeting us and not reddit.
Well first off, a shill could be a person, and not a bot.
To your question, yeah, they’re here, they’re also on Reddit.
They go wherever the people are at, so they can train, inflate user population, and influence opinions.
It costs them almost nothing to be at multiple places, at the end of the day it’s all text to be parsed and people to manipulate.
Actually, usually when I see someone questioning if bots exist I think of that as an actual bot trying influence people away from thinking about bots, considering that bots are all over the place at this point, it’s weird to see someone deny/question that.
Ah, when you put quotation marks around “person” I’d assumed you implied they were bots.
Yeah, sorry, I mean it both as bots as well as shills. Basically a bad actor and not an honest participant, human or otherwise.
That sounds very “both sides the same” to me, where non-shill and shill are exactly equivalent.
One of the things one regularly sees back there is projection, lol.
/Iam14andThisisDeep
I know, how dare someone like something? What a loser.
Convenient that its on the post about how free features are going away, isn’t it?
See how they down vote you.
Let me try to give a voice to the people down voting.
I hope that in the future they make a separate subscription model for each of these services.
$2/month I get the pause feature.
$5/week I get to control my own volume.
$4/month I don’t have to loudly shout the brand name of the commercial to go back to my podcast.
This is how websites keep the lights on and you shouldn’t be so ungrateful. We all know the pursuit of infinite profits means all these companies will continue to find more ways to squeeze customers. So I’ll go down with this ship even though just 5 years ago it was crazy to see a 2 minute unskippable ad but now there’s 3 of them and you’re an asshole for wanting to remove that.
What would the internet look like if we got rid of how companies advertise to us.
In the future you should consider what you’re saying before speaking out against enshitificatin and encroachment of mass marketing into our lives. It feeds. It never stops feeding and I am meat.
Perhaps, and this may be a crazy thought, there is some middle ground to be found between a company actively hemorrhaging money and it demanding infinite profit.
Now, I’m sure you do your job for no pay just out of the goodness of your heart, and that you even put your own money into it because you just love it so much. And that’s very very good of you. But I just don’t think I can really make the same demand of everyone, though I assure you, we all are looking up to you as an example, truly the absolute paragon of morality.
That is crazy and heres why
They expect to take from you. You mention middle ground. You don’t get to the middle ground by walk halfway towards someone that had no intention of meeting you halfway. But they will take every advantage you give them.
On top of all this, the internet survived way before any of the corporations jumped on board. It’ll exist without them. Yet with them around they pushed out the free and fun services and now that no longer exists in any meaningful way because they exist.
I’m a consumer of a product and yesterday I had twice the product for twice as cheap. Today I don’t. I have no invested interest to market for the erosion of services on behalf of any private corporation or company. Especially large corporate entities who pay individuals hundreds of millions in contracts. How about standing up for your peers because they ain’t your peers
Its acceptable to demand cheaper better products and if they don’t budge then you shouldn’t either.
Its okay to stand up for your interest.
You don’t need to defend these practices especially when these companies go to the effort to capture a monopoly on the services right before they lock it all away.
You keep meeting them halfway they’ll keep moving where that is.
I been paying for it and I don’t really see how I’m suddenly getting half the product for twice the cost.
Spotify is a sweet fucking deal for me. I listen to it for like 2500+ hours a year. It’s worth it to pay to not have to listen to ads alone.
What’s really crazy is how you dudes are quick to call people shills and corporate apologists and all this dumb shit when they just get value for the money. If you don’t like it don’t buy it. If you’re so upset about the free version then use something else. Nobody gives a fuck, we aren’t getting a commission here.
Music is a fucked industry. You want to support a band you go their shows and buy some merch same as always.
I haven’t called you any of that.
My point is that we can’t just ignore it or believe that just not subscribing is good enough.
These companies corner a market and become the leader in acceptable practices. So you choose to leave Spotify and pick an alternative just means your alternative adopts the thing you left Spotify for.
The only thing that counteracts this erosion of services and features for profit is cultural pressure. Companies would love for people to just not subscribe because its never enough pressure to get the company to change. There needs to be better organization from customers.
There is no erosion of services dude. Why are you typing up essays on a premise that is faulty? If you pay for no ads you’re still getting no ads. It sounds like you’re bitching about free services changing which is wild.
If we all stand together we can bully them into providing top tier free services. That’s what you’re trying to say?
If you read more than twitter posts this wouldn’t come off like an essay. But I keep this short for you.
You complain about faulty premises and but start your whole premise on something factually wrong.
Erosion of features and services is so common it even has its own well known name, enshitification.
Yea bully them better known as the market. How its suppose to be designed to work.
Yea twitter you got me.
What features are paid users losing with Spotify? If you think you’re entitled to a robust set of features for free then make them and distribute them freely.
Or you could keep whining on forums thinking you’re fighting the good fight I guess.