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  • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.worldEnglish
    111·
    9 months ago

    Everybody is aware it’s not going to be flawless out of the gate, or perhaps ever. That’s not the point.

    They’re saying using cameras and only cameras is a bad idea and makes “Autopilot” inherently subpar in situations where cameras don’t work so well.

    • cosmic_slate@dmv.socialEnglish
      37·
      9 months ago

      Sure, but having actually driven one instead of commenting on the internet, the issues that have come up with AP/FSD have seem to be more data related (speed limits causing slowdowns).

      When there are vision issues the car complains and it’s up to you as the driver to take control. I don’t care how many sensors are on/not on the car, if it tells you it can’t handle the situation safely, that’s now on you as the driver.

      Plus, vision-only drivers assist isn’t new and Tesla isn’t the first on the road with it. I’ll let you figure out which particularly popular Japanese brand known for their crossovers 😉

      • abcxyz@lemm.eeEnglish
        122·
        9 months ago

        Never go full fanboy… try actually understanding what people are telling you, why fail safes are good idea, why redundancy systems are implemented, etc.

        Your anecdotal experience of “I drive in fog and rain and its been good” means nothing…

        • cosmic_slate@dmv.socialEnglish
          28·
          9 months ago

          Hey, I recognize the system has its faults but a number of people simply base opinions on bad faith arguments and articles soliciting clicks.

          Radar/lidar isn’t the magic end-all-be-all that internet automotive commenter-engineers claim.

          I’m sorry you disagree with what I’m presenting.

      • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.worldEnglish
        53·
        9 months ago

        When there are vision issues the car complains

        Except for when it doesn’t and the car plows straight into the back of a lorry. Or runs over a teenager getting off a school bus. Etc.

        • cosmic_slate@dmv.socialEnglish
          25·
          9 months ago

          Which is already abusing the feature. These are driver assist features, not driver replacement.

              • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.worldEnglish
                92·
                9 months ago

                Are you serious?

                Autopilot

                Full Self Driving

                “Our cars will travel from the east coast to west coast of the US without any human intervention by 2017”

                “Your model 3 will be like an automated taxi earning money for you while you’re not using it!”

                Etc.

                Tesla is always making out like their cars can drive themselves and it’s just the law that’s preventing cars from driving themselves about unaided.

                • cosmic_slate@dmv.socialEnglish
                  26·
                  9 months ago

                  Where are you getting that from?

                  Here. I’ll show you mine:

                  https://www.tesla.com/model3/design#overview

                  Scroll down to the feature add-ons.

                  Full Self-Driving Capability

                  $12,000

                  Your car will be able to drive itself almost anywhere with minimal driver intervention and will continuously improve

                  All functionality of Basic Autopilot and Enhanced Autopilot

                  Autosteer on city streets

                  Traffic Light and Stop Sign Control

                  The currently enabled features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous. The activation and use of these features are dependent on achieving reliability far in excess of human drivers as demonstrated by billions of miles of experience, as well as regulatory approval, which may take longer in some jurisdictions. As these self-driving features evolve, your car will be continuously upgraded through over-the-air software updates.

                  Maybe I’m a bit out-there but the bolded section seems to indicate to me that this is something I need to pay attention to the road while using, and am told this before I add the feature to the car before checkout.