• Kbobabob@lemmy.worldEnglish
        944·
        9 months ago

        This is the problem with Linux. People that know how to use a PC and are not tech illiterate still can’t use it very well. Just the fact that you offered means you know they are probably having some issues.

        • JCreazy@midwest.socialEnglish
          301·
          9 months ago

          I know how to use a PC and I am tech literate and I can use Linux just fine so I don’t get what your point is.

          • The_v@lemmy.worldEnglish
            426·
            9 months ago

            I have used Linux off and on for almost 20 years.

            I install it, see if I can do everything I want.

            Get lost in terminal hell.

            Give up and uninstall it.

            Until I can browse to a webpage, download a program and click on an icon and have it install and work, the OS is shit for the general user. It’s not that fucking difficult of a concept.

            • Julian@lemm.eeEnglish
              22·
              9 months ago

              I mean, for most distros you should be about to install and use the OS without touching the terminal. Yeah, you may want to use it for some things (idk what you were trying to do) but it’s kind of the same thing in Windows with registry edits and such. It’s a tool and if you don’t know how to use it, you’re probably gonna get lost.

              Also how is it easier to go to a webpage to download an installer instead of using a store? Even microsoft is trying to move in that direction.

              I don’t want to say your experience is invalid because I definitely think Linux can improve in terms of user experience. But it’s not very helpful to just complain about stuff vaguely.

            • Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish
              14·
              9 months ago

              The issue you’re having is it sounds like you don’t understand package managers. On your phone you go through the Play store or Apple store, and they manage your apps and keep them updated. It’s the same for Linux. You download and install things through the package manager (using the terminal or through the Discover application, assuming your distro has that). On Windows you go to a website and download an application, and that application has to keep track of updating itself. It has to check online for updates every time it launches and then ask you to download and install it then. Package managers are much more convenient. It may take a minute to get used to, but it’s better once you do.

              • Refurbished Refurbisher@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
                5·
                9 months ago

                Yeah. People new to computers in general have an easier time using Linux than Windows power users, because the latter expects the same experience as Windows when they are using an entirely different OS.

                Then, when something Windows-esque doesn’t work (like downloading software from a website), they blame Linux instead of their method.

            • JCreazy@midwest.socialEnglish
              14·
              9 months ago

              You’re right. It’s not that difficult of a concept and luckily Linux works just like that. I will admit that Linux wasn’t always user friendly but it’s made leaps and bounds in that department. A bit less than a year ago, I decided one day to wipe my SSD completely and install Linux and I’ve been using it ever since. I’m doing everything I was doing for. Obviously this is going to depend on your specific needs but for me it’s been just fine.

              • The_v@lemmy.worldEnglish
                212·
                9 months ago

                No it doesn’t.

                My last attempt was six months ago. Still had a few key programs in a tarball. Dow

                Then there’s always the random hardware incompatibility. This last attempt it decided to flip the screen upside down on my laptop screen. Fun times…

                It’s come a long way, but for the average user, it’s not anywhere near polished enough.

        • Rustmilian@lemmy.worldEnglish
          214·
          9 months ago

          This is the problem with Windows. People that know how to use a PC and are not tech illiterate still can’t use it very well.

          • The_v@lemmy.worldEnglish
            41·
            9 months ago

            That’s not a problem with windows it’s a feature. Even the barely tech literate people can use it to bumble their way through to get the job done, eventually.

            They don’t use it well but they still use it. They also rarely break it anymore.

            Those of us who worked with these people with win 98 and XP… Shudder. They ways they screwed up the system was truly remarkable at times.

        • hightrix@lemmy.worldEnglish
          516·
          9 months ago

          I’m extremely technically literate, build my own PCs and write my own software tools.

          I don’t use Linux at home because I don’t want to fiddle. I want to sit down, open steam, and play a game.

          I use Linux for many things, but my personal computer uses windows because it just works all the time.

          • Kbobabob@lemmy.worldEnglish
            47·
            9 months ago

            I’m sorry all of the Linux fan boys don’t like your comment. My main is Windows and my other PC is a Linux box.

            • The_v@lemmy.worldEnglish
              22·
              9 months ago

              Pointing out significant flaws that are holding the systems adoption rate back is never popular. Most of them are very techy and don’t have a clue what the average user needs. It’s a great way to get them all riled up.

              I spent a few years as a process flow and bug finder for some programmers building a proprietary internal system. Then I trained non-tech savvy people on how to use the system. One of the most difficult jobs I have ever done. Bridging the gap between the two of them was brutal.

      • Liz@midwest.socialEnglish
        26·
        9 months ago

        Twitter sent me to Mastodon. Reddit sent me to Lemmy. Windows has sent me to Linux. These things are basically promoting the better versions of themselves by becoming shittier versions of themselves.

        • puppy@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          9 months ago

          Same here. But I had always been on Linux since I was a kid because Ubuntu (Gnome 2 days) was very pretty compared to Windows XP to me.

    • Kbobabob@lemmy.worldEnglish
      413·
      9 months ago

      How much searching did you have to do? Be honest. Ever try to mount a network share permanently yet?

      • Allero@lemmy.todayEnglish
        9·
        9 months ago

        As someone on Manjaro for over a year, I did have a few searches, but they were rare and mostly related to obscure things I needed.

        Not even close to the “search a fix every 10 minutes” experience I was promised.

      • puppy@lemmy.worldEnglish
        31·
        9 months ago

        No searching at all. I got a new computer last month.

        1. Install open-ssh server on the old computer
        2. Copy the IP address of the old computer
        3. Paste it into Dolphin
        4. Copy paste everything
        • Kbobabob@lemmy.worldEnglish
          22·
          9 months ago

          And how would a new user know to find this specific app in the repo? Have you ever actually searched “how to permanently mount a network dive in Linux”? I didn’t see a single one saying dolphin.

      • subtext@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        9 months ago

        I did, and it was fairly straightforward according to the documentation I found. This was a couple of years ago but I’m pretty sure I needed to figure out how to use nano, then type some magic words into fstab along with the IP and password, and I haven’t had to mess with it ever since.