• Sundial@lemm.ee
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    13 days ago

    You might recall that Israeli civilians were deliberately burned to death on Oct 7, 2023, which is how this war started.

    That was proven to be false.

    And the second link is not proof of anything, other than that people were found dead with their hands bound. There is absolutely no evidence to prove that the IDF executed those people.

    Yes, and why is there a lack of proof? Is it a coincidence that Israel has deliberately targeted journalists, threatened them, and harassed them? If only they were still alive to help us understand why a huge number of bound Palestinians were executed all while they are being invaded by a country known to commit huge human rights violations.

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      13 days ago

      Did you even read that article? It nitpicks over specific stories but doesn’t dispute claims about civilians burned alive.

      You’re clearly a lost cause. You have no critical thinking ability whatsoever, you just keep spitting back propaganda. Story after story, accusation after accusation, has been debunked as propaganda. The hospital bombing. The Flour Massacre. The famine. The children with sniper bullets in their skulls. All of it bullshit.

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        In another story that spread a few weeks ago, United Hatzalah President Eli Beer told of a baby that was placed in an oven and burned to death. Beer made the remarks at a donors conference in the United States. The British newspaper The Daily Mail changed it from “baby” to “babies."

        But this story also is not true. Ten-month-old Mila Cohen was murdered in the massacre, along with the baby still in the womb of her mother who died after her mother was shot on the way to hospital. The police have no evidence showing that other babies were killed. A source at United Hatzalah said a volunteer mistakenly interpreted a case at the Shura base and passed the inaccuracy on to Beer.

        So this one was untrue.

        The report above was later quoted on social media, often referenced as “dozens of beheaded babies,” though sometimes it was “burnt babies” or “hanged babies.” For example, the Foreign Ministry published an account by Col. Golan Vach from the Home Front Command, who said that in one house he found the bodies of eight burnt babies.

        This one the story changed from burned to hanged. Which one was it?

        There is no evidence that children from several families were murdered together, rendering inaccurate Netanyahu’s remark to U.S. President Joe Biden that Hamas terrorists “took dozens of children, tied them up, burned them and executed them.”

        This one was incorrect as well.

        Some of the incorrect descriptions were made by Zaka personnel; one repeatedly talked about 20 bound and burned bodies of children at a kibbutz.

        Oh and another one.

        So let me ask this question. If there are multiple incorrect stories by an organization known to lie and create false truths to justify their atrocities. Why would I believe any of them? On top of that, why would that excuse what they’ve been doing for the past year?

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          13 days ago

          Are you actually suggesting Israel fabricated 10/7 to justify going to war with Hamas? Or do you admit it happened but you’re just nitpicking over specific stories? Are you aware of the fact that terrorists wore GoPro cameras to record their atrocities, and even recorded their torture on the phones of their victims?

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            The Israeli government was given intelligence that the Oct 7th attack was going to happen by their own agencies as well as foreign ones. They chose not to take it seriously. At best, they’re incompetent. At worst, they’re complicit.

            And why are you bringing up what Hamas did or didn’t do? We were talking about the atrocities Israel is committing.

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              13 days ago

              They definitely slipped up, that’s for sure. But so suggest that they were complicit - that they allowed 10/7 to happen on purpose - is just insane. Like you’re actually mentally ill.

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                How about you hold off on the personal attacks, huh? I didn’t say anything over all the stupid tone deaf shit you’ve said ranging from genocide denial to trying to justifying a year of some of the worst human rights violations most people have seen.

                Slip up or not (and this was a very big slip up). It’s clear Netanyahu and his cronies are using this conflict to further their own agenda of expanding their little colony and stop him from being convicted like he was supposed to be right before the attack. How convenient for him and all those settler groups.

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                  12 days ago

                  It wasn’t meant as a personal attack. Claiming that Netanyahu intentionally allowed 1200 Israelis to be butchered to so he can justify going to war is some seriously irrational conspiracy shit. That being said, I fully agree that he has handled the war the way he has partly to further his own political agenda. And there was a time when I had serious concerns about it and wondered if Israel was headed down the right path. But given the remarkable successes of the past two months, it looks like it was indeed the right path.

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                    You’re going to look at the tens of thousands of corpses of slaughtered civilians in Palestine and Lebanon and call it a remarkable success? Does the sanctity of human life truly mean that little to you? You seemed to be pretty upset about reports of Israeli civilians being massacred. Is it because the Palestinians and Lebanese are not white that you care so little about them and their welfare? And you have the gall to call me mentally ill?