with bonus threat of increasing tariffs if any retaliation…
Charge US $30B per month for NORAD access. If Russia can strike Permean basin with nuclear ICBM then that can help their negotiations with ending war on Ukraine. Fund UBI based on NORAD fee.
Eliminate tariffs on China. Sanctions on Russia. US industry that says it will make long term expansion investments in US to cut off Canadian supplies, gets immediate China contracts in response. Or make comensurate “lease fee” for NORAD higher.
Fentanyl and immigration is complete BS. This is a declaration of war based on manufacturing a false “national emergency” pretext. Any response that doesn’t treat it as a war declaration by US is pathethic weakness and politician/Canadian treason to their CIA masters.
Make the US beg to treat Canada much better than it was treated before these tariff declarations. USA collapse is necessary for Canada to prevail. Not begging to let Trump declare you a sufficient sycophantic bitch, which won’t happen.
I’m not sure I’m following you on the constitutional convention. Do Canadians have their own version of that? In America it will never happen, we wouldn’t be able to get whatever the legal majority (2/3?) is to do anything. I’m kind of hoping that most Americans are so dumb they don’t even know we’re a state, and we’re so small and economically unimportant that if we left they wouldn’t even notice.
I’ve legit been on the phone with some customer service rep from some other part of the country and they asked me if vermont was a country and where in the world it is. I mean we were… before we became the 14th state.
Constitutional convention is a tough ask that requires 2/3 of both congressional houses to question their rule even if the states they represent would want one. But state secession movements “dressing up” their desires into a request for one, has no good reasons to object to one, especially if default is that 75% of states must agree to changes.
I think we should do it at the state level - democratic vote - and then if the response is leave we just stop paying the feds taxes and kick them off our land. What are they gonna do, invade us for our maple syrup? We invented guerrilla warfare and were heavily armed and know the mountains better than y’all queda does. And we’re accustomed to winter. The southerners wouldn’t stand a chance.
Yes. This approach is good. “Pay your federal taxes to our state instead, and we will negotiate appropriate relationship/independence from Trump/federal government.” California facing extortion over federal relief on forest/city fires, is reason for them to never pay federal taxes again, to support Florida unconditionally year after year, never mind, red state tax parasitism in general.
Yeah. It would be a very risky big leap, but I think some blue states would be interested. Vermont went overwhelmingly for Harris, and we have an independent streak and history of our own. But other blue states would be harder - California and New York seem bright blue but they aren’t - the cities are and the rural areas are not. Vermont receives more federal tax money than we pay, not as much as the red welfare states but a considerable amount. I think New England as a whole would be interested but New Hampshire would be a wildcard. It could inflame a neighbor against neighbor civil war… people stupidly think a second civil war would have clear battle lines like the first. No way.
The biggest risk besides outright hot war would be foreign interference outside of Canada and the US. The US has made a ton of enemies with our foreign policy, and with us in obvious disunion they could start arming sides like we have done abroad. Or straight up invade. Or go after their own geopolitical aims closer to home (which I care less about, I’m tired of being the worlds police that few ever asked for).
One of the benefits is the US government hasn’t outright won a war since ww2 and the Canadians are formidable fighters in their own right. But a hot war should be avoided at all costs, it would be brutal. Many millions would die, if not in outright war in disease and starvation.
And what about the billionaires? Somebody needs to render them useless in the process. Otherwise they’ll just reign the rubble.
Same for all of US. Proper secession would involve cities independently deciding, and then their surrounding rural areas deciding after. State “dictatorship”/electoral corruption is not any better than Federal corruption. There can never be freedom if divorce is forbidden.
Foreign interference in Canada is exclusively US and Israel, with “scandals over foreign interference” without much evidence against countries that could force US/Israel to pay more to fix elections. Russian interference in US/Canada is often accused, but it is to foster divisiveness, to the glee of right wing parties seizing on the hatred manufactured, and repeating all of it. There is no “Buy Russian stuff and love Russia party”, and the foreign interference bs can very well be right wing parties contracting cheap eastern european labour.
How tough Canadians are on a 5 on 5 hockey rink doesn’t matter. Canada would need to have/ally nuclear strikes on US. A single one would collapse US economy. Without that willingness, or without absorbing individual states, then Canada might as well surrender now.
*most of the US. My state (vermont), not so much. Trump support is fairly low across the board.
Re foreign interference, you are referring to now. and you’re not wrong! But I’m referring to a future where a hot war happens. Who will intervene? Who will take advantage of the situation? We have no idea and I don’t even think it’s possible to speculate. America has so many enemies (for good reason) the list could be endless. As for Canada, you’re full of natural resources, who knows who might find that appealing while you’re in a war with the US. All hell breaks loose. I’m a strategy person, I like thinking these things through, the crazy what ifs. I can’t even imagine what will happen if it gets to that point.
As for canadas fighting abilities, give yourselves some credit. Not just hockey, y’all kicked so much ass in WW1 we needed to have the Geneva convention. Most Americans think they’re so exceptional that no one can beat them. But the truth is we haven’t won a war since ww2 despite spending all of our money on war. Should it come to it I believe Canada would give america a run for it’s money.
I hope it doesn’t come to it. I wish more Luigi’s would spring up and take the technofascists and their puppets in government out. But I don’t have high hopes and I believe the future is looking extremely bleak.
And that’s ignoring climate change. Add that in, permafrost melting and another pandemic springing up out of it, we’re so fucked. The global elites know and they have no country. The world is theirs for the taking and that’s exactly what they’re doing.